PODCAST: Andrew Morong Goes Out on Top

This week on the podcast, I sat down with retiring CMCC women's basketball coach Andrew Morong fresh off his fourth national title to talk about what it actually takes to build a dynasty in central Maine.

Topics this episode:

• How Andrew evaluates recruits in the first 5 minutes of warm-ups
• Why parents are now a bigger red flag than the players themselves
• The "Junkyard Dog" role and building a blue-collar culture
• Josie Friend — the Australian freshman he knew would transcend the program
• The case for a high school shot clock
• Why the mid-range jumper might be a D1 scholarship hiding in plain sight
• What retirement looks like when basketball has been your life for 15 years

Plus Rhys reviews Hoppers and the Mario Galaxy movie.

I don't know how I feel about this thumbnail either.

Thanks to Gardiner for the Bleacher Creatures shirt!

Transcript (AI generated)

Welcome to the Maine Basketball Rankings podcast.I'm your host, basketball data nerd, Lucas Mcnelly.And today we're talking about national championships with four time national championship coach Andrew Morong. Rhys is here because later he's going to talk about some movies he saw and he wanted to be in the introduction.

0:19

Say hello.Hello.OK, he is, he's nine years old and he's wearing his Slam Dunk shirt.I am wearing my Bleacher Creature shirt, brand new shirt from the good folks at Gardner Area High School.They sent myself and Jay some Bleacher Creature gear, which I have to forward then to Jay.

0:38

He's going to come on pretty soon here and do a podcast about something.We haven't figured that part out yet.We just know that he's got a Bleacher Creature shirt coming in the mail.And thank you to everyone at Gardner for who made that possible.I happened to meet Charlotte.

0:54

Do you remember Charlotte from the viral video of a little girl yelling at someone shooting free throws?Do you remember that?OK, He does not remember that.That was Charlotte Gardner's number one fan.I met her at the KVAC All Star game.She was very quiet and very nice and like, you know, like all the great ones, you can't leave it.

1:14

You can't burn all your energy when the game's not being played.So this is an All Star game.So she was just there to soak in the vibes and not wreak havoc on the other team because it's just an exhibition game and she's saving her energy for the game that matter.I did also see her at the state championship game, which Gardner won.

1:32

And Reese, did you know this is the first podcast since the all the state championship games happened a couple weeks ago?Did you know that?No, you're not really bringing a lot to this, are you?No.OK, so a couple things have been going on.

1:50

Mostly what's been happening is I've been revamping the website in preparation for spring sports.There's new heel points, there's new team pages, there's a new schedule, there's all sorts of fun stuff and there is more coming.So if you haven't, if you haven't checked out the new website, go check out the new website.

2:10

Throw some images, images here to give you an idea.But if you did pause your subscription for the end of basketball season, you might want to bring that back up because there's going to be a lot of cool stuff with spring sports if you're at all involved with spring sports.

2:28

And I think that will about do it.Do you have anything you want to add in this part?No, he does not.All right, so with that, let's go to my conversation with CMCC retired, now retired coach Andrew Morong.

2:44

My guest today is the four time national champion coach of the CMCC girls, Andrew Morong.Thanks for joining.Thanks for having me.I'm looking forward to, you know, chatting and recapping the season and what was my career.So I have to start with that.

3:01

So you announced, I've been meaning to have you on the show for a while, and then you announced that you're retiring after 15 seasons.Let's say I have your stats here, an 87.2% winning percentage at 4 national titles.So I have to ask, is this a situation where Andrew wept or not?

3:17

Andrew or Alexander wept because there were no more worlds to conquer.Or should we expect you to take the North Carolina job next week?Yeah, that would be pretty cool, right?No, actually, I mean.I mean, I don't think anyone be mad about that decision.Back in January and you know, met with President Libya at the college and kind of just spoke about what the transition plan was going to be and when the right time to notify anyone.

3:41

Obviously, I didn't want it to be a distraction during the season to take away from, you know, our student athletes experience.And I didn't want to want to make it about me.I want to just enjoy the moment with them and then, you know, we end up winning.It was just kind of icing on the cake.

3:58

And then we got back and I didn't, you know, we had a week before spring break and I didn't, the girls were on cloud 9.I didn't think it was appropriate to announce it then to kind of strip away that, you know, those feelings in that moment for them.And then spring break happened.So it seemed a little bit delayed and it seems like the decision was made after the season.

4:15

But with this was, I would probably say a couple years in the making that we it was either going to be this year or next year, you know, and it just seemed like the right time to go out with the right group of kids.Is there a situation where you like have the you get eliminated like the way Duke got eliminated or something crazy and you're like, well.

4:40

Yeah, no, for sure.When I when I commit to something, you know, I commit to it.So I knew no matter what how this season ended, this was going to be my last year and I was OK with that and I was at peace with it.I think obviously a lot of coaches struggle sometimes with stepping away and some, you know, Klingon too, too long and and their program suffers because of that.

5:00

And I didn't want that for our program.You know, 15 years, 14 seasons, you put a lot of time, literal blood, sweat and tears into the program.And a lot of people have.For me to hang on too long would not have been fair to anyone who has dedicated an ounce of time to this program.

5:18

So really for me, this is about preserving the program.And as soon as I made the decision and started talking to the alumni about it and everything like that, it was just very clear that it was the right decision to make.Because you've built a pretty impressive program there.

5:34

I remember, you know, when I started doing this, you were what, probably five years in and you know, you would, I think you hadn't won 1 yet.And then there was the first one was like, Oh my gosh, the local team won a national championship.And now it's just like, oh, did they win another national championship?It must be that time of year.

5:50

So like what?Take me through the building of that program because it's not I, I spoke to Steve Carey, who was one assistant up there.And it's not the easiest place to convince kids to come.It's not, you know, Boston.It's not even Portland places like that.

6:06

Yeah.So I, I'm very lucky that we've had a lot of continuity within the women's basketball program at the college.There's only been two coaches, Mike Bridges and myself, you know.So Coach Bridges did it for, you know, over a decade.Yeah.Through the late, you know, late, late 90s into, through the 2000s, you know, so just more than a decade.

6:23

And he did a great job establishing it, you know, regionally and locally.And when I came in, there wasn't a lot of there, there wasn't a lot of returning players.And, you know, obviously I had never coached in college.I was coming from high school, but I was young and dumb enough, naive enough to realize like I, I, there's not a certain kid I should go for.

6:44

And I think a lot, especially when I first started, there was a lot of stigma surrounding community colleges.And I would, I just didn't even no way, you know, I, I don't care how good of a coach you are, if you're coach K, Pat Summit, Don Staley, whoever, you're only as good as the players in your program.

7:02

And end of story, you know, So I, I, we started going after the, some of the top kids in the state of Maine and let's make them say no, let's make them and their family say no, let's get them to campus.And that's always been my mindset.So through the years, those Nos, there's been less Nos and more yeses, right?I think at the beginning of this, you know, we had to recruit 20 kids to get one, you know, so if I had to bring in 10, I was talking to 200 kids.

7:25

They filled those 10 spots.Now it's almost, we get who we want, you know, by the end of it, you know, truly, you know, and we might miss out on a few kids.But really, we are very, very, very dedicated to the recruiting process and the relationship building.

7:41

And I think that's what makes our program what it is, is having the right student athletes in the program.I don't care if you can score 30 points of a game, if you're a spoiled Brad, you're a bad person.I don't want you anywhere near our program.End of story.I can't tell you how many times I've gone to high school games and 5 minutes into warmups cross kids off, you know, based on how they're interacting with their teammates or coaches.

8:05

So we just put an emphasis, have always put an emphasis on recruiting the right kids.I'd rather have a kid who can score 10 points a game is going to buy in than a kid that's only going to dip their toe in the water.So I think that's what really brought us to that.That next, that next level, probably a quite a few levels from when I first started, is just recruiting the right kids.

8:27

I want to circle back to the crossing kids off in warmups because I think that's important, but is part of it figuring out who you're going to get and who's going to be and who did not go after be like, because obviously you're not going to get Mackenzie Holmes or someone like that because that's just not going to happen.

8:45

You're not going to get Cooper flag.You're not going to get, you know, but you can.But the kids you can you can try.I mean, it's worth a shot, but is part of it Like the more you get into recruiting, the more you go, OK, this is sort of this is my wheelhouse and this is a player, not only a player who's going to do well in this program, but this is a player who's going to be receptive to what we're doing.

9:08

And are you able to better target those?Yeah.So our our system really dictates our recruiting.So we play very fast.We press for 40 minutes a game.Typically we average over 90 points per game.I'm pretty sure that we are the highest scoring team in New England at any level this year.You know, we'd like to get up and down and that is a very fun style to play.

9:28

As you know, there's not a lot of high schools out there that play that way, you know, where it's a race to 40 points, right?So you got to look at it's like, can this player play at this, you know, if they're surrounded by other kids because high school, it's so tough because I, I look at it and I God bless high school coaches.

9:46

I don't know how they do it because they can't recruit right.Most of them can't recruit right.And it's.Yeah.What are you saying?Are you saying that this?You know, and it's like, you know, so they have every high school has maybe two or three kids that are dedicated and go above and beyond.

10:02

The coach doesn't even need to ask them.And then if they're lucky, they have another two or three kids that are dedicated and will do everything that the coach asks.And then everybody else is just there because their friends are doing it or it's because what they've always done, right?So you got to take a kid that's living in that environment and plug them, you know, into an environment where everyone was the best player on their high school or club team, everyone was either Allstate or all conference or team MVP, whatever it is, right.

10:29

And in that environment, are they going to rise to the occasion or they going to they're not going to be able to handle it.So I think that's like the biggest conflict, you know, So we, you know, we talked to obviously coaches and we talked to teachers, guidance counselors, parents.Obviously we are huge in building relationships with the family just to try to figure out if that kid can can.

10:49

You know, our program is not like a lot of programs in the state of Maine on the men's or women's basketball side of things.We've had players obviously transferred D1D2, you know, D3, high academic and IA, full scholarships and things like that.

11:05

Every single one of them, including the kids that go high level D2 and D1.They say the commitment level in our program is just as tough, if not tougher than the pro, the commitment level at their next program.So in today's day and age, you know, recruiting young people is very difficult because them committing to something and just trying to find kids that can be relentless in that sort of environment isn't a lot harder than it used to be.

11:30

You know, that blue collar mentality is more of a rare commodity and I treat it as a skill set, just like I treat a jump shot as a skill set.You know, so when we find those blue collar kids, man, we just fall right in love with them because they're not a dime a dozen anymore.

11:48

That that used to be the norm.Now they're they're the rare, you know, they're the they're the rare ones.So I think when we find those blue collar kids, we just gravitate towards them.And we have no better example than Abilene Corson from Dexter.You know, our starting point guard this year, cap freshman captain, I mean, was a state championship captain for for Dexter and coach Grant, you know, you talk about blue collar.

12:09

I mean, that's that's Dexter, right?You know Dexter, Maine and.Can't get more blue.Collar of that town and that community and she represents them exactly how you think someone from there would represent and that's those are the kind of kids we go after.

12:25

You're not going to there's no amount of adversity that you're going to dump on a kid like that that's going to overwhelm them.They're going to roll up their sleeves and just work harder.So it's it's really easy to find.It's easier to find those kids in Maine for sure, although they are harder to find.It's a little bit tricky when we go outside of Maine, especially outside of the country to find those kids because cultures are just different.

12:46

But you know, I, I think that's what we go for is those blue collar kids that are just going to, hey, you might beat me on the scoreboard, but I'm going to, I'm going to kick your ass.Do you find and I should have checked this out.It seems like your roster's gotten more main centric over the years than it has early them did.

13:07

Early on, there were more like students from around, from away, you know, And it seems like that's a stronger main contingency where now it's almost like a pipeline.Like I see a person going, oh, of course we're going to see him.Yeah.All right.Sure.Like Tatum French is around here.I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.OK, Yeah.Yeah, that's especially this this recruiting and so are the recruiting class that are wrapping up their freshman year right now and this incoming recruiting class.

13:32

That was a huge point of emphasis for us.We really wanted to get back to our main roots.And although we, I mean, we've always obviously had a handful of Mainers on the team and you know, we had people keep telling me, well, you got you can't do what you do with, you know, mostly Mainers or just Mainers.

13:50

So that's, you know, as soon as you tell me I we can't do something that is.It's like, you know what?So.You know, to, to, I mean, we, I think we started, we started 3 Mainers on our national championship team this year.You know, I think ten of our players, if I'm not mistaken, we're from Maine, which is the most I think we've had since 2019.

14:10

So yeah, we, we put a huge emphasis on it this year.But again, it was about getting the right Mainers, you know, from the right programs.We can coach hard either at the club or, and, or their high school level.And so they could come in and make an immediate impact.And, and many of them, you know, I had relationships with prior to them showing up through club basketball and, and stuff like that and summer camps and whatnot.

14:33

So it just makes it that much more special when you can compete at a high level representing your state with with Mainers on the roster in important roles.Sure.Do you find the whole thing about it resonated with me, the idea of like being the the one kid who's like really into it and it's sort of dragging everybody else through basketball season of the casuals who are like, well, I guess, yeah, you guys need we need people.

15:01

Do you find that the the kids that really excel in your program are the kids who that when they get there, they go, wait, there's other people who are as insane as I am like.Yeah, for sure.I think we'd like first practice every year.It's kind of tradition.

15:16

We just have everyone stand on the sideline and we say, you know, if you were the best player on your high school or club team, close your eyes, you know, if, if you're the best player in your high school or club team, take a step forward, you know, and then open your eyes.And then everyone kind of looks around and it's like, oh, crap, OK.You know, but in our recruiting, we emphasize recruiting competitors, you know, so when you bring competitors in and around other competitors, it's just you're just adding fuel to this vicious fire, you know, that's not going to go out.

15:45

So yeah, these kids, they, they, they love that.I I think it is eye opening.I think, you know, you brought up Tatum.I think that's, I think her obviously it'll be different with a different coach, you know, when she arrives in August.But, you know, we could tell that, you know, Tatum fits way we do.

16:01

She's got some, you know, she has some skill sets that she needs to improve on, but men, the mentality is there and she's going to just get so much better competing every day against players that are better than her where that's not something she can do at Booth Bay, where she was the best player on the team.

16:17

You know, especially these small schools they don't have like if you're 6 feet tall, you know you're it.There's not another six footer on your roster that's going to make you better every day in practice.And you might not play another against another.Yeah, so.If you look, I mean you look behind me in my background there, there's 123456, maybe maybe 7-6 footers in that raw, you know, on that roster.

16:38

So they're going against that every single day in practice and they just love it because they didn't get that in high school.So yeah, they just, they soak it all up for sure.And some of these people, like some of these players that there's different with AAU, but like, depending on where they are, you know, you might have a situation where it's two schools close together or you're like in southern Maine and there's a bunch of schools in the area.

17:02

But if you're in Aroostook County or something, there might not be another good player for 40 miles.Yeah, I'm it's, it's big.So you're just not playing against anybody?And it's tricky.And I think sometimes those kids do struggle, even though they're great competitors, right?

17:18

They come in and they struggle because the level of competition, no matter how many times I I tell them, you know, they just, you don't know until you know, you know, and they, they get in there and they think they're going to be OK because they were OK, you know, back in playing for Katade.And, you know, Hunter Hartsgrove is, is a great example of that.

17:35

Hunter, I don't think she's I think she made one layup as a freshman in her first five games games.And it was like, we all know you can do it.And she was just, I mean, wide open, could not make anything.And here she was a prolific score at Katan and you know, and I just hunt her.

17:53

We just pulled her aside and we said once one goes in, the lid will be off and you'll remember that this is just basketball, you know.And then sure enough, I mean, before her season ending injury in in January of her freshman year, I mean, she about five games and just just took off and was on pace for an All American season before her injury.

18:13

So it does take some time for, you know, the adjustment for sure.Well, I mean, you can't.You can be as confident as you want to be, but you get punched in the mouth a couple times at a new level and somewhere in your head, regardless of the sport, you know, it could be Major League Baseball, it could be basketball, football, whatever.

18:32

Party's going to go.Am I really good enough to play at this level?Because we've all seen players who weren't quite good enough to play at the level they rose to and fell back.You're your quadruple a player in baseball being an example.And so just like, what are there things they're tricks to get people that confidence other than just saying, hey, that's going to go in, It's going to go in.

18:54

Yeah, I think it's a delicate balance for sure.I think with many athletes today, male or female, confidence is one of the it's, it just makes or break so many of them.Obviously my experience is on the on the female athlete side.So I've, you know, I've really had to adjust my style of coaching and really go from when I first started transactional relationships to transformational relationships.

19:21

And that, that seems bigger than confidence.But that is like the foundation of, of, of everything that we do in our program.If they don't have, if I don't have a transformational relationship with every single player on that team, they're, they can question, you know, oh, he's just saying that, you know, but if we have that relationship and that foundation, they're, they're just going to, they're going to do it.

19:43

You know, they're going to follow, you know, follow the lead and they're going to figure it out.But we do a lot of stuff and I think some people think that they are more than they are or they don't think they are as good as they are, you know, So we were very direct when it comes to role establishing roles.

20:01

You know, we we do a team exercise at the beginning of every season, about a month in.So everyone's kind of used to everyone.And we say, all right, what are the four or five offensive rules we have on our team?You know, and that they get to pick the name of the role.So our shooters might be called snipers.You know, they assign people to those roles.

20:17

And some people say like, oh, I want to be this.And the team says, well, that's great.But if we're going to be successful, we need you to be this.And so we have that on the offensive side, and then we have that on the intangible side sort of thing.So every player has two roles.

20:33

And then you just focus in you just lock in on doing your job.You know, And I know that sounds like, you know, Bill Belichick and the Patriots way and all that stuff, which is just kind of a yucky thing right now.But, you know, we'd say that all the time.Just do your job.

20:49

Like keep it simple.Don't go out there and invent.We you're not an inventor.That's not your job.You know, we have girls whose job is to do that.That's one of you know, that's one of the roles.That's not your job.Keep it simple.You know, close out with two hands high dive on the floor for a loose ball.You know, take your shot when, you know, when you're open and you got to get them really to buy into that.

21:09

When you tie it to the end of when you when you engage the individual and tie their role to the team's success, they buy into that role even more.A great example of that is Caitlin McCoy played at Levitt.Prolific 3 point shooter.Ridiculous.

21:24

OK.Oh yeah.I mean, she, she had a great tournament All American, great freshman campaign, second team all.Americans seen her go off in games.You know, but she's the type and she's had some great coaching, especially on the club side that really helped her with that confidence.

21:39

I, I feel like, but even her, you know, who's arguably the best shooter in the state at any level, you know, she'll go and she'll miss, you know, five in a row.And you know, we'll just remind her like, if you don't take the shot we expect you to take, it's, it's more than just you not taking that shot.

21:59

Now, our rebounders can't anticipate right now, our defense, our transition from offense to defense can't anticipate and we press.So we need to get in that press quickly.So if Caitlin has the ball and she's open, we expect her to shoot.And that impacts about five other things down the line.

22:15

I think that's what a lot of kids miss.So explaining that and showing them that in film, I think is really, really important.So once they get that, then they just do their job and they work on expanding it, of course.But we just say just do your job.And we just focus on the little things like, man, you can have a bad shooting night, but you should never have a bad night communicating or you know, get in touch as high fives, you know, and things like that.

22:37

So we just try to get them focusing on the positive stuff.And I think a big thing this year especially was our coaching staff.We had the best coaching staff I've ever been involved with.Just so many different skill sets on it.

22:53

And so they were hitting every single girl from different wavelengths.And it was just great because the girls got constant and consistent feedback.But sometimes they just need you need to hear it in a different voice in a different way.So I think when you wrap all that together, I think you end up with some really confident athletes.

23:12

So it's a little bit of Caitlin, if you don't take this shot, then everybody else is expecting it to happen and you screw up the works for the whole thing and the whole thing falls apart because you didn't take the shot.And so we don't even care if it goes in because it's worse for you to miss, it's worse for you to not take the shot than to miss the shot because of all the exact.

23:32

Factors.Yeah, that, yeah, I can see that that would that would help with the confidence like well, I guess, yeah.Especially for us when especially when it comes to shooting, like ours is a possession game.We want we want more possessions.So I don't care if we miss ten in a row, like whatever, we're just going up and down gas that other team.

23:48

So it's less important to us than the teams that walk the ball up and down the court and set 85 screens every time down and everyone's a robot.We just don't play like that.So I might as well just ask you the question now, how important is would a shot clock be toward your players transitioning to college basketball?

24:11

Because it sounds like you would be.Very much so.I think it's, you know, I've been to, I'm recruiting and I've recruit or recruited.I got to start talking to the past tense now, right?Yeah.So I've recruited in states.Until that North Carolina job happened.Yeah, I've recruited in states with a shot clock and most of them can't get it right.

24:30

The person operating it just doesn't do it right.But even that is better than no shot clock, All right?I honestly think that it's going to make the game better because it's going to increase the possessions, right?

24:45

No one gets better by holding on the ball for a minute and 1/2.No one gets better doing that.I don't care.You're not getting better doing that, OK.And so, you know, shot clock forces the issue a little bit.

25:01

And everyone says, well, it's going to it's going to help.The better teams are just going to win by more.I don't think that's necessarily the case to be quite honest.I would just love to see it happen.Like let's bring it into Christmas tournaments or something like let's tease it a little bit.Let's bring it into preseason games and for a year or two.

25:19

And, and, and then see, or you do what NCA, you know NCAA does when they when they bring something in, they bring it in at the Division One level first and then the next year gets down to D2D3.Maybe we could do something like that, start it in the Class A and then, you know, you work your way down from there.

25:35

I don't know.But I think there's a million ways to do it.I think it would be great for high school basketball.You ask our international players, they think we're crazy.They have it when they start like at the rec league levels over in Australia and all the Fever rules, like they have it when they're 10 years old, you know.

25:54

So to them, like not having it in high school is absolutely crazy.And yeah, I agree.I think especially with our style of play, the the kids, the Mainers tend to be a little bit, they catch up really quick.But it is a they are behind for sure their international counterparts.

26:14

So my pitch for the shot clock implantation to fix, I think it would fix everything and they would never do it is they just say, OK, so we're going to turn on the shot clock for the tournament and you can have it in your home games if you want, but you don't have to.But it's going to be on for the tournament.

26:31

And then I think the teams that think they have any chance at all of doing well in the tournament would find the money within two weeks and have and have shot clocks ready to go for opening.Day.Yeah, you know.And then, you know, some schools would not like you're N Havens would be like, yeah, we're good.Yeah, I think there you could go about it a bunch of different ways, but I think it needs to happen.

26:50

I think it's inevitable.It's more exciting.It makes the game faster pace, it's more exciting.It's people get more shots up.That can't be a bad thing, you know.So, yeah, I'd love to, I'd love to see it.I'd love to see him just follow Fever rules, honestly.

27:05

And I wish they would do that at the college level too.It's just fully adopt Fever rules.You know, that would be a, you know, 24 second shot clock reset, a 14 second on offensive rebound, 8 second backcourt, you know, no inbounding into the backcourt, 5 fouls clear them at the quarter, which they do now, but only sub before or after, not in the middle, you know, advance the ball under a minute in the game on a timeout.

27:31

You know, I think all of that stuff is I mean that's, that's the global, that's the global game.Why would we not want to to match that and be working towards that?Well, because this is America and, and we have our own systems and we like our feet and our inches and screw your metric system.

27:55

So let's circle back to the, the crossing off kids.So I've heard multiple coaches say this, that like, you know, there's a level of I don't care how good you are, you seem like you're a pain in the ass to deal with.So like talk about that.Like I'm assuming you're not just watching someone in warm ups and be like, Nope, off because, you know, maybe they had a bad day.

28:16

Maybe, you know, they failed a test earlier that day.People have bad days.Like, but that's on.That's a thing.You file away right where you're going.OK, maybe not on this kid.Yeah, I think it's, I really think it depends on the program.You know, if you're a young coach and you haven't won and you're trying to establish your program, I think you're going to take risks, you know, and bring on those kids.

28:40

And like I did when I first started, you know, I think that's you need talent and you and when you're young and naive, you think talent wins, you know, helps you win when it's just destroying your culture from underneath you.And you got to learn that, right?

28:55

And that's part of growing up as a coach.I feel like, and I, I, I look at it as, you know, I'm going there, I watch a game and I, I'm sitting there and doing my research.You know, it's very easy to tell who's mom and dad that, you know, so is this kid acting like this?

29:11

And then mom and dad 2 rows behind me are, you know, complaining about the coach of the entire time yelling at the refs, you know, the their daughter checks out of the game, doesn't give anyone a high 5, sits on the end of the bench with her head in her hands or, you know, kicked back with her feet up.

29:27

Not engage in the game.That's a red flag, right?So I think what you do, what you're allowed to do in high school, you're going to try to get away with in college just instinctively.That's, that's at the subconscious level, you know, if you're not held accountable, you're going to struggle with accountability, you know, so, yeah, I see that stuff and I, I, I, I cross, I'm, I'm definitely more on the conservative side when it comes to protecting the program.

29:52

So, you know, I'm, I'm probably quick to, to, to cross kids off.I'm also the first person to give a kid a second chance to.I think anyone who's ever been in our program would tell you that.I, I would say I, I haven't seen a lot of bad kids out there.

30:08

I have more, I would say over the last five years.It's some of the parents, you know, it's like, do I really want that person in our gym?You know, like we have a reputation to uphold.Like is that person going to be doing that sitting in our gym?Oh my gosh, that's embarrassing.

30:24

You know, I don't want to have to address that without the game because I would, you know, so that happens all the time.Or like through the recruiting process, the parents just sit there and they just bash the high school coach.I'm like, what, what are we doing?Like, why are you, why are you putting me in that position?

30:40

You know, where I have a ton of respect for that person, you know, so those are the some of the things that, you know, happened from time to time that that cross kids off.I think another thing that you know, really crosses get some kids cross off is their social media.And you know, I think now they've navigated away from Instagram.

30:56

So at first everyone was on Facebook and then it went to Instagram.Now they've navigated as the parents navigate from Facebook to Instagram.The kids are just now on Snapchat, Tiktok, right?So anything, you know, creates separation between them and their families.So it used to be really easy to go on, I don't know, that kid kind of acting.

31:15

I'm not sure.I'm not, I'm not in love with that kid.I'm gonna go check her, you know, I'm gonna check out the Instagram while I'm there at the game.And then I see stuff on Instagram like, well, this all makes sense, you know, And then then that would get the cross.So now it's a little bit harder to do because they're a little bit smarter about what they put on social media or where they put it on social media.

31:33

So, but that, that is definitely checked as well.You know, I have a young family and my family was super involved in the program.You know, I have an 8 year old, A5 year old, you know, my wife, we live about 20 minutes away from the campus.The, the girls are at our house for different events and, and things like that.

31:49

And my kids are at every game and in the high five line sitting behind the bench.I have to be very kids.Like do I want someone like that influencing my son or daughter?You know, that that's what it comes down to for me.So that makes my decision really easy.

32:04

When you word it, when you think about it like that, that's, it's super simple, you know, and I think this year is, you know, we have, there's like 4 girls for, for the women on our team where like if my daughter grows up to be half the person that they are right now at 19, then I know I'm would have been a successful father, you know, So like those are the kind of kids we want in our program.

32:28

And the fact that my kids get to learn from people that don't look like them, don't sound like them, maybe have different beliefs than them, I think is super important.So that's why I'm so protective about who we bring into our program.And really now if it's on social media and it's problematic, that's even maybe more of a cross off because like, are you really that stupid that you can't even hide it?

32:51

Yeah, you know.Like like how bright is this person if they're like have dumb crap on social?Media.Yep, that is.Where you can.Find it, it happens.It's you'd.You'd be shocked.I mean, I wouldn't be shocked because I've had my Facebook page so I can, I can imagine, but I can also imagine the parents being maybe a stronger cross off than the kids more often than not.

33:17

Yeah, that's a, that's a tricky 1.I, I would say 90% of the, the families that we interact with, probably 95% are salt of the earth, you know, just great, great, great, great people and, and are just as much of the program as their daughters are, you know, but that's not always the case.

33:35

And we do run into them and they're really easy to spot, you know, in a gym.And when they're screaming at refs or the the coach are screaming at their daughter in the middle of a game, like, come on, she didn't like try to miss that layup, you know, and or you don't need to be coaching her from five rows up in the bleachers because you're not doing that when she comes to Kirk Hall.

33:56

So, you know, yeah.You know, that's easy to find.And then you see stuff on social parents, social media, you know, that's probably where we learn probably more than we want to, you know, is when when you look at that.So that's all stuff we do to protect the program though, you know?

34:11

But not everyone does it that way.Sure, sure.OK, so who was?Can you give me an example of a kid?So every you bring in a kid and there's somewhere you go, this kid is going to be our starting point guard from day one.And this is, you know, going to be the best player in the program.

34:28

And there's somewhere you're like, I don't know, I could see this working out for him, but you know, we'll see.Is there a kid who like exceeded all of your expectations where like from when they stepped in the door to when they left, you're like, holy crap.But maybe you wouldn't tell them to their at at the time, but then later maybe you would.

34:47

Yeah, that, that's a good question.This definitely happened over the years.I think it, it's a, it's a timing Things like Abilene, we recruited her to be our starting point guard, but she had to earn it.

35:06

You know, she had, we had a point guard returning.She had to knock them off and it took about half a year, actually an injury, you know, and then she established herself.She may be one of my favorite point guards we've ever had here.You know, I just, I just love that kid.

35:23

I just, Oh my gosh, you know, I, I, I think she got so much better.She had a great high school coach, Jody Grant, but they played very different than we did.You know, Dexter is coach Grant.

35:39

I love him, but he's going to walk that ball up and down.He's going to limit the possessions you know, you know, against.Yeah, you know.Against the MAS and PVHSS and stuff like that, you got to do that right?So she really struggled with going from hanging out, being on a team that's won a lot but probably scored 3540 points a game to a team who averages 90 points per game.

36:03

That's that's a big leap.I do think there's one kid who came in and really just and doesn't get any credit at all is Josie Friend.So she's a six foot two forward guard from Melbourne, Australia.

36:20

And the day she committed was the day I knew we were going to win the national championship this year because you just don't, you just don't have like no one else is going to have that at our level, you know, and because she, she was just so good on film and, and everything like that.

36:38

And then she came in and she really, I don't say she struggled, but she was just trying to find her way, you know, and just she just turned into this just tremendous leader.And you know, at 6 foot 2, being able to guard all 5 positions on the floor is something so rare.

36:56

And it's probably going to be the reason why she's going to be a Division One basketball player after she after next year, you know, if she stays healthy and everything.But she just got better and better and more confident offensively.And she started hitting threes at the end of the year.

37:12

And just being this, it's really hard for freshmen to be leaders, even though we only have two year players, you know, freshmen, they don't know what they don't know.And we remind them of that every day.But she really just grew into her role and just grew up in front of our eyes, like as a, as a person, as a player.

37:31

I, I said back in I think November to our, our captains, I said may not happen this year, but she's going to transcend our program.You know, she's just, you can just see it's going to happen.But to actually watch it happen and then a national championship game, I think she went for like 12 points, 8 rebounds, 5 steals, 5 blocks.

37:48

You know, you know, something ridiculous stat lines, all of our tournament games, including the Yankee tournament, just she was playing her best basketball and just seeing that start to come to fruition, it's just so special.What's the environment like at these national championships?

38:07

Yeah, well, for us, they're home games, you know, because we travel so well.You know, we've traveled well every year, but this year was so special.I, when I, I, I just like, I had my wife and kids there.My parents were there, you know, and I probably had the average amount of family support there.

38:28

The, all these kids had multiple people there.We had families from New Zealand and Australia there from Wisconsin.It was just, we had families fly in from Switzerland.It's just, it was easy.And the other teams didn't have many, you know, fans and stuff there.

38:44

You know, they would have 10/15/20.Meanwhile, we have 60 plus, you know, so the environments are what you make it.And you know, it's funny, we go into these tournaments and usually number one, number two, number three, you know, and there's usually some other main teams there, whether it's on the men's side or the women's side or whatever.

39:03

And you know, they don't necessarily want us to win, right?So even though we're there supporting them, you know, we don't get any claps.And oftentimes in the past it's happened multiple times where teams from our own conference were, you know, openly cheering against us.

39:21

But that just adds to the environment.Like our is that just the fire, right.So, you know, our our players love that.But yeah, I know all the, you know, all the teams come to all the games, you know, you get a good, good crowd.And we, we just had so much support this year.It made it that that much more special for for us.

39:42

What do they play these?What was this year at?Least this year we were in Buffalo, NY.So we played them at the Burt Flickinger Center at the on the campus of Erie Community College and then at Villa Maria College in in Buffalo as well.So and then before it's been at Virginia State University and at Penn State Fayette.

40:02

So it kind of rotates every three to five years or so.So Buffalo early March rather be in.Been to Buffalo it early March they should have.Kept in Virginia as far as I'm concerned, you know, 70° the last year we were there, so.Do you make a side trip to the Niagara Falls or is it just?

40:20

Yeah, no, we did this year and it was so it was, it was rainy a little bit.It wasn't too cold, but it was just one of those days where there's a lot of fog.So you couldn't even see half of them last year when we went, we tried to do like all kinds of educational stuff because we're there for a full week, if not more.So we we always do that.

40:36

We're doing a bunch of team building and, and things like that.So yeah, we try to stay busy and routine.I think a lot of teams show up and a couple of them said it on their interviews and stuff like that during the tournaments.Like they treat it like vacation, you know, and we have a good time when we're there.

40:53

And I don't want to say it's a business trip, but for us it's very much routine.So we've been there, we've done it.We know we want to keep their routine that they have at home here, you know, at the tournament.So we have study halls and activities and stuff like that that they would normally have, you know, at home when they're, you know, living on campus and stuff like that.

41:12

So ours is very regimented and it were really works for us.You know it really it really helps.Because there's not a lot of things to go see in Buffalo anyway.No, not really, you know.A couple.Trying to catch like a University of Buffalo game or maybe a Sabres game or something like that.

41:29

But it just never really worked out.And if you're not can't do that and you can't go to casinos.And as rainy, you know, there's not there wasn't a lot to do in Buffalo.But yeah.So we we made the most of it though, for sure.What's?

41:48

I don't know if this is a weird question or not, so let's try it.What's a skill that you think a player needs to excel in high school that maybe is not going to help them in college and vice versa?Does that make sense?Yeah.Like the high school level, like there's things that you need to do at the high school level to do well, but that might not help you at all in college.

42:08

And then I think you know, probably the reverse is also true.Yeah, that's a, that's a great question.One skill, man, that is that's tricky.

42:23

So one thing I, I think within our program is 1 skill that I see in high school that's just not necessarily relevant to, to us is I guess I would look at it as a team concept more than a skill is, you know, sitting in his own, you know, I think a lot of teams need to do that to be competitive.

42:44

And that's just not college basketball.Even if you're not in our program, you know, if you went through your entire high school career playing very little man to man and not being taught those concepts, first of all, you weren't playing a good zone if you're not great at man to man, right?

43:00

And second, you know, even if you're even if you're a college team does play zone, you know, if you do, it's not like it is in high school because any given time you probably have 3, 35%, three-point shooters out on the floor, if not 4.

43:17

You know, we're in high school.There might be one in the entire gym, right?So, yeah, I think that's that's more of a concept than a skill.And then I think one thing that we use a lot and then it's never in high school is the mid range jumper.

43:34

And I know all the analytics people are going to, you know, freak out about that, but no, I don't, you know, that mid range, no one knows how to defend it because no one does it.So it's just like this.I mean, Emily Strong, who played for us for two years from Lewiston, who went to Cal State Fullerton on Division One, she got that Division One scholarship because of her mid range jump shot because because, well, the.

43:59

And the analytics, if you've only got 1 kid shooting 35% from 3, the analytics don't support not shooting the mid range jumper because the whole point of the analytics is that you're shooting 35% from three.But if you're shooting 25% from 3 then you should be shooting a mid range jumper that you can make because making a shot is better than missing a shot.

44:18

Yeah, for sure.And I think that, you know, that 15 foot 13 to 17 foot range is just so underutilized.And at the high school level, I think some kid could really make, you know, a name for themselves if they were got really, really good at that Man.That's that's a way to, you know, bump up from hey, I'm a mid level player.

44:36

No one's really looking at me to oh, now I got some eyes on me.Especially if you do it on the baseline.If you could do a 10 to 15 footer on the baseline and just be money at that, then you know you'll you'll.Get done all that absolutely.But if we're talking intangibles, kind of skills that I very I rarely see in high school that you need, at least in our program is you're a willingness to compete.

45:00

If you're not willing to just compete relentlessly, you wouldn't survive in our program.So not a lot of kids have that today.So if you can be that person and to me, like that's a choice, like I think it's a habit.You got to build it over time, But it's a light switch thing for me.

45:16

You can flip that on, you know, if you can go out there and be that I, who cares if you can make a three or a mid range jumper, You're going to be rarer than any of those positions, you know.So you know, if you can make, if you can do that, you are going to play at the college level.

45:34

Yeah, if you can dive on the floor and get a loose ball, then every coach in the world will have you.No questions.Minutes.What's up, dude?Hey.Hey Reese, how we doing all?Right.Come in here.He can't hear you.He likes to photobomb these.

45:50

All right, Reese, what do you do?You have any questions?You didn't prepare at all for this, did you?No.OK, you had a prep.If you're going to be asking questions, he's probably wants me to do a Mario World that.

46:10

He oh very nice.We're very big into Mario.We're we're building Mario levels.Can you build a fire?I'll build a fire later, yeah.Nice, we're going to.My son was sick with a strep throat right now.We would probably be at the Super Mario Galaxy movie, so we went.

46:28

Yesterday it was he really liked it.I had the worst movie experience of my life because they were we went to the three D1 and they were out of the 3D glasses for adults.And so it's just these little glasses and I have a big head.

46:44

And so like I got a headache 30 seconds into the movie and just I still feel a little nauseous today from the movie.And it was so I don't even know how good if the movie is any good or not.I shut my eyes for stretches up.That's good.Yeah.

47:00

All right.So, all right.Where were we?Yeah.So like, what's the thing, that whole competing thing, Like, what's the thing?I know it's a choice.And, you know, like, what's the thing a kid can do or a parent can do to sort of instill that in their kid because the kid who dives on the floor, it just seems to me that that's inherent in the in the person.

47:22

Yeah.I do think it's this thing they can learn because taking an offensive foul is something you can learn because that's a staple of our program.And no kids really do that at the high school level, at least the right way, you know?So I, I think, I absolutely think you can, I think you got to kick it back to daycare days or kindergarten days.

47:43

And what I mean by that, and we do this in our program and this is so stupid but it works, is, you know, back, you know, had a good day in kindergarten, you got a Gold Star, right?You know, there was a chart.Well, we do charge charts, you know, and we keep track.We count charge.You get a basketball sticker next to your name and it's a competition to see who can get the most our bigs who we don't want taking charges.

48:06

We want them blocking and being physical and walling up and stuff like that.We count, they get a sticker every time they get more than 8 rebounds in a game, you know, so you got to find those things that you want more of and you got to reward them, you know, and you got to make them an emphasis.

48:22

It's it's, you just got to make it an emphasis, you know?So like I'll Julie Doris, you know, from Belfast is she's, she's this kid who, you know, we have on our team, who I told her at the beginning of the what they're in the recruiting process.I said, Julie, you're a very hard worker.

48:39

You know, you're not you're not the most skilled player in the world, but you're you're you work so hard that I, I want, I would like you to come here and play for us.But you got to understand you're probably never going to get in a game, you know, And if that you don't want that, I understand.

48:55

All right, that makes sense.But if you're willing to come in here, you come in here, you can be a part of this program and then you can earn.You're going to get whatever you earn, you know, And, you know, she ended up starting a game for us this year on the road, played some pivotal minutes if you ask her and most of the girls, she had the play of the national tournament blocking someone off a backboard and in a fast break.

49:16

But she's the type of kid who just realize, OK, I mean, she was always a heart blue collar kid, you know, Belfast kid.But she realized, oh, if I just double down on this, if I if I dive on the floor more, I get even scrappier on defense.

49:34

If I play even more physical, if I'm willing to take charges, I'm going to get time, you know, So she just found ways to earn playing time.And I think, OK, they just see that, you know, but you gotta reward it and you gotta you gotta call that out, too.

49:50

I think in the locker room, our coaching staff did a great job, you know, just never acknowledging the player who had 20 points.Like, we don't even care who cares the score.It's like who did the best job hedging screens today, you know, and call that person out in the locker room in front of the entire team, you know, or you know who had who dove on the floor, who made the play of the game that had nothing to do with putting the ball in the basket.

50:13

So I think if you want your, you know, if you as a player, you want to do that more, you got to make the choice.But if you're a coach or a parent and you want your players to do that more, you want your child to do that more, you got a reward when they do the correct behavior, you know, and I think they'll just double down on it.

50:29

But I mean, that's how it works in our program.But it is easier for me dealing with 18 and 1920 year olds than it is dealing with a 14 or 15 year old, freshman, sophomore.There's just a lot of development that hasn't happened at that level.Maturity hasn't happened yet quite yet.So sure, might be a little bit different at that level.

50:47

And it's rare that the best player on the team is like in the high school, like if you're got a collection of kids that were the best player on their team, when you're the best player on the team, no one's asking you to dive on the floor for a loose ball and take charges and things like that because they're expecting you to score 2025 points.

51:03

So it's not as much of A priority because there's other kids on the team who are doing that.Yeah, and I always say to this when I go and talk to teams or at camps and stuff like that, like if you are the best player on your team and you're not doing that stuff, shame on you.Because if you want your team more help from your team, you go do that stuff.

51:21

If they see you do it, they won't even think about it.They'll do it too, you know.So, you know, I, I think everyone's got to do it.But yeah, there's some people that got to make it that their thing, you know, if they want to see the floor, and we call that that for that's one of our intangible roles.It's called junkyard dog.

51:37

You know, you got to protect us.You got to do you.You got to be foaming at the mouth.You got to be doing some of the things that maybe other players think twice about.They got to be automatic for you, you know, So most of our players asked to be in that role, you know, because that's the type of kid we recruit.

51:55

But not necessarily everyone fits into that for us.But I think a high school team made-up of players like that, they're going to win a lot of games, you know, or they're going to have a lot of fun in the way.Here on the here on the coast, I refer to that as a clam digger player, you know, who's just on the floor all the time and doing all The Dirty work and like elbowing you in the ribs when you're not paying, when the ref's not paying attention and all of the little things.

52:20

But, you know, I don't know in the history of basketball if anyone's ever gotten less time for after being scrappy and like working hard defensively and getting on the floor like no one's ever, no coach has ever gone.I don't know if we need to be playing this kid as much as we were.Yeah, that's that's a fact.

52:37

And I think depending on the levels, at the college level, you know, there's sometimes where we have, you know, like Julie would go in and for 30 seconds, a minute, whatever that rotation was, and go and do exactly what we need her to do.And then she sits out for 15 straight minutes, which was weird.

52:53

While she did exactly what you wanted her to do and asked her to do.Why is she now sitting?I was like, well, she did her job and now we don't need her to do her job right now.But I think at the high school level, it's very different.You have to be far more delicate then we are at our level.

53:08

But I think transparent communication, you know, at our level is, is crucial.I, I think there should be no guesswork.You know, the players should know exactly where they stand in any given moment.I'm not sure that's necessarily possible or smart, you know, at at the high school level at least in some programs based on politics and things like that.

53:31

Yeah, right.That's a good way to get the.Parents for sure.So now that you're retired, until the North Carolina people call and and offer you that job, do you?Are you now the unofficial scout of CMCC floating around the state like what's what's next?

53:49

Basketball season?When when next basketball season comes along and you're like, oh, crap coaching to do?What are you going to?Where are you going?To find yourself definitely nervous about that.I actually said it's my wife last night.We were talking about the transition, you know, happening and I said I don't think we're going to know until October when I'm used to going to practice seven days a week and then it's not there.

54:12

So I don't know what that looks like.I want to travel a little bit around Maine and get to some gyms that I haven't been in yet.For sure.I want to do that.I also want to get into the gyms and give back.Like I want to go and you know, if if Levitt or Buckfield or Holton or someone wants me to come in and help them put in a press or talk to their kids or the people in their program about championship culture and stuff like that.

54:36

Like I want to give back and and and be involved.So I'm going to find ways find ways to do that for for sure.And I think so many communities have have been a part of our program and it taken such good care of us.And now that I can't necessarily directly impact the game of basketball in the state of Maine, I still want to find ways to to grow the game of, of women's and girls basketball.

55:00

So going to be always looking for those opportunities, unofficial opportunities to go and and make a positive impact for for our female athletes in our state.Well, I think they're probably a number of programs around the state who would be more than happy to have you come in and teach them how to run a press or implement something.

55:20

Because I mean, that seems like a pretty much pretty much a no brainer of an added an additive thing.Yeah, I hope so.You know, I want to get out there and I want, like I said, I want to give back.And I know us coaches can be, you know, a little protective sometimes or egotistical, you know, but really, I think that I've always prided our, you know, myself and what in our program is that let's surround us with people that know more than than we do, you know.

55:48

And you know, we had like Nate Pelletier, former Oxford Hill, the state championship Oxford Hills coach, you know, him and his coaching staff would come in and teach us, our coaches and our players how to run their 131.You know, they're 1/3, they're patented 131 press, they're half court, trap and defense and stuff like that.

56:07

So we've had other coaches, you know, Mike Hart, former coach at Freeport and Morse and Freiburg come in and teach us his, you know, 221.You know, that's, that's just all that's how we grow, you know, I think as individuals.So we definitely look forward to that opportunity.

56:23

You know, even on I've done it for men's coaches too.And on the on the boys high school side, I just want the game of basketball to be better in the state of Maine.And I want to get it to a point where we all remember that it's a tool to help these kids grow.So let's use the tool the most effective and efficient way possible to to do that.

56:45

Yeah.And and if there's one thing I've learned in talking to coaches who have taken time off is that your wife will tell you you need to get back out there before you will realize it.Because you'd be like, I've been used to you not being here as much and it's enough already.Go, go.Yeah, Amber's, you know, she's been a basketball widow for many, many, many, many years.

57:05

So.But I bet by the time we hit November 1st, she's going to be like, all right, we got to find something for you to do.Yeah.Mike and Artie.See that coming?You're driving me crazy.All right, well, thank you so much for doing this.I've got to go build a fire.Apparently I didn't realize we were doing that today.

57:22

And yeah, enjoy the the Mario movie and maybe you'll have better.Thank you so much.I appreciate you having me on.All right, thank you to Andrew once again for doing and looking forward to seeing him at a gym later this year.Reese is back.Reese let's talk about two movies you saw recently #1 Hoppers.

57:44

Yes, so this the people, these scientists are trying to talk to the animals and they've made like a Beaver, Beaver robot suit and like what is this helmet that makes them control the fever and have the vision of the Beaver and make them understand the animals?

58:06

Yeah.Was it cool?Yeah.What was your favorite part of Hoppers?The part where the animals talked about the noise in the tree and then they just screamed.When the noise of the tree is just a speaker.

58:23

Yeah.In the tree.Yeah.Yeah.And then you said to me in the movie, during the movie, you said this is a lot like the wild robot.Yes.Yeah.Was it too much like the wild robot?Yes, it was a little bit too much like the wild robot.So Pixar people, if you're paying attention too similar to the Wild robot for this guy right here.

58:44

And then the other one we saw last night, we saw what was the movie?Who was that movie about?It's me, Mario.Mario, We saw the Mario movie.Tell people about the Mario movie.There's a lot in the Mario movie.Yeah, so Mario.Mario.

59:00

Mario and Luigi.Mario and Luigi, Did we like them?And then Mario got a present for Peach, right?That was her pair as well.OK, did you like the Mario movie?Mario 2 or whatever it's called.Ma yes.I like the.Mario Galaxy movie.

59:16

And we saw it in 3D.Was the 3D cool?Yes.It was terrible for me.But did you like it?Yes.OK, the.Glasses were not small for.Me.Yeah.And they fit you and didn't give you a massive headache, right.OK.What are you doing?

59:32

OK.All right, So should people go see Hoppers?Yes, yes.Should people go see Mario?Whatever it's called, please don't knock down the green screen Mario Galaxy movie, OK?Are there any other movies coming up that people should be getting watching?

59:51

Minions and monsters.When's that like?Some of.June, OK, somewhere in June, we'll we'll come back to that.All right, I think that is gonna do it for the show.Yes.

1:00:07

This has been a production of Maine basketballrankings.com, your source for the most comprehensive coverage of Maine high school basketball from Ashland to York and everywhere in between.Do you know where Ashland and York are?No.No idea.OK, I wanna.Ask.Them you wanna ask?Yeah, I wanna add.Something what do you wanna add?

1:00:23

I will be in some future videos so stay tuned for that.OK.And what should they do?Like and subscribed.Like and subscribe yes, you heard it here first.This podcast is available wherever you listen to podcasts and a bunch of places you don't.

1:00:40

If you enjoy this, please leave a nice review.Why Reese?Why should they leave a review?OK, cuz it really helps out with the algorithms.Tell your friends, tell your enemies.Thanks for watching say bye.Why enemies?Because the enemies, maybe the enemies want to see it too.

1:00:58

They shouldn't just limit to their friends.Their enemies also want to watch it.We want more subscribers.We're not limiting just because people don't get along.They can rally around a shared liking of this podcast.Stand up so people can see a stand.They can rally around a shared listening and viewing of this podcast, whether they get along or not.

1:01:17

So Oceanside and Madomic people can agree on one thing and one thing only.You in this podcast?Sure.All right.I think that's gonna do it.Thanks a bunch.Until next time, say bye.Bye.